Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Kyle was rude during fishing....
I'm not sure what ratings on web indexes are. Luke would know.
Well, I've never hit my thumb with a hammer but I've cut my leg with a saw when trying to saw wood (fortunately it wasn't a power saw) using my foot to hold the wood down. I used the wrong saw. I often prick myself on a hook when I'm fishing in the morning 'cause my hands are numb and a bit clumsy ('cause they're numb)
When I do hurt myself, I don't yell out or anything. I just give a little grunt. Kind of a silent "mmmph" sound.
When I make a mistake (mainly when I break a string or saw something off the line), I do utter an "oh [email protected]".
Well, I've never hit my thumb with a hammer but I've cut my leg with a saw when trying to saw wood (fortunately it wasn't a power saw) using my foot to hold the wood down. I used the wrong saw. I often prick myself on a hook when I'm fishing in the morning 'cause my hands are numb and a bit clumsy ('cause they're numb)
When I do hurt myself, I don't yell out or anything. I just give a little grunt. Kind of a silent "mmmph" sound.
When I make a mistake (mainly when I break a string or saw something off the line), I do utter an "oh [email protected]".
Comments
Viki while they were fishing.
Even if she was cussing he was very
narrsasitic and condesending to her
when she wanted to spend time with him.
He's very sarcastic
He needs to be deprogrammed"
I saw this on the other board and i do remember Kyle being rude and annoyed. What went on during that scene? I didnt agree with the way he said 'shhhhh' to Vicki, I was surprised she didnt knock you into the middle of next week! I understand the raging hormones and the need to be on top of all conversations but there is a limit.
Another post....
"The boy was rude and inpatient
Doesn't thier religon teach patience
and understanding. Isn't that what he is being tought????
As far as the fish the boy had on gloves and it was
about 2 inches big. There was no reason for him to be so disrespectful
I belive kids are a product of thier environment and if you live in a open loving honest environment they will be open, honest and respectful to any adult. My two boys were taught to say yes mam,
no mam, yes sir, no sir please and thank you and to respect adult
They would never talk to an adult that way.
p.s.
they even open the door for me when we go places"
Another example of Vickie's disrespect was during the "church" scene, where she continued to talk while they were meditating.
There have been many times when I've had to concentrate on something and will ask someone politely to give me some time or space (which Kyle did initially). The mature, respectful ones will walk away or shut up, while the disrespectful ones get what they deserve.
She was very disrepectful to their entire family on many different occassions yet no one seems to comment on that. So many people on these boards are judging people solely based on a TV show and they actually believe everything they see. And you think these boys have a sheltered life!
With the limited dealings I've had with Kyle, I find him a mature, intelligent and very very polite young man. If the majority of these people had children that were even half as polite and intelligent as Kyle, the world would be a much better place.
I can't talk and operate on a fish carefully at the same time. I may have been "rude" (I don't think so. I needed silence and and I tried to quiet her down politley but I just needed to say "sshhh" to get my point across) but I did need to concentrate on the task at hand. I did say "just a second" and "hold on" or something but she kept talking so I just needed to say "sshhh".
why is it rude to say "sssshhh"? I could have been like a true message boarder who says "will you shut the **** up you **** **** ****" at people! The last people I would expect to worry about manners is the message boarders. A few times I went on the boards and the let downs and vulgerness would make "ssshhhh" seem like an uplifting praise! They are being double-standard as it's said. They're making a mountain out of a molehill, I think. If people are that concerned with manners, what the heck are they doing on a message board?
I guess it's polite to flame people and say "those **** are ***** ****!" as they say on the boards that say I'm rude. So if that's polite, that's what I'll say to the people who have problems on the message boards "Get a **** life you*** *** **** ****!!!*!" Ah! I feel as clean and polite as a rose. Thanks you guys for teaching me some manners! :twisted:
You get what you deserve I say.
As to the Fox boarders, nothing you say to the loudest of them will make a difference. It seems they don't even need Fox to edit shows because alot of them just make stuff up in their heads and spout it as truth.
Vicky seemed to be more of "city" girl, meaning she wasn't too into nature, so she probably didn't even understand what you were trying to do. But as a vegan, thanks. Fish mean alot to me.
ah. 'respect' one of my favorite subjects: One of the most overused, misunderstood words in the enitre world ('Love' is another). I work with young criminals, whose view of 'respect' is so skewed I could spend my entire career trying to straighten it out for them and still not succeed. I dont respect a half dozen people in this world. and I dont expect respect from anyone. I want to be heard, not respected.
I won't 'respect' anyone for simply doing what they should do, for doing 'the right thing'. All humans should do that. I respect those who keep their word, who have 'integrity' (a term i'll get into on another thread soon). I dont respect someone just for being famous, or loud, or athletic...i dont respect someone just for being older, or because they're my parent, or my teacher. Those people have to earn it like everyone else.
And I dont respect anyone who would hold my respect in any kind of high esteem. it's not that important, folks. Respect yourself.
I respect Carl and y'all for taking this chance and admitting it was probably not the best choice; for sticking to your beliefs forever, and even more so now, and for allowing us the opportunity to share our views with you.
But respect doesnt last forever, it must be continually renewed and earned, built upon, or it fades away...
Jeez the Abbotts just can't win. If they are quite then they are called mindless, brainwashed robots, but if they show any other emotion they are called rude.
It is true! It is all true! See, Carl is a brainwasher, and a control freak and the kids cannot go pee without him. But, also, Kyle is taking to many liberties, according to the fox boards, and should not be allowed to do anything .... lol. He should be free, but just not allowed to use it.
god, it's like being at my family reunion-nothing but gossip and low intrigue among the ignorant and evil. I wont be going back there much at all...
If you're speaking in general terms, I still disagree. You can't paint things with such a broad brush - it all depends on the circumstances of the situation. People should strive to be respectful of others whenever possible (note I did not say KIDS should be respectful of ADULTS - the age issue is, well, a non-issue). When someone needs to speak up, though, they should have that right, regardless of age. Kids end up being doormats far too often in this society because it's believed that adults must be obeyed/respected/etc no matter what.
Susan
I do respect my elders (not just elders, anybody [and also animals 'n such which most people don't respect.])and respect people who respect me (and I try to respect people who don't respect me but it ain't easy let me tell you). But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to tell someone something when I need to tell them something. You are looking at it too broadly. Your saying that I should not speak up to elders because I should respect them. If an adult is driving too fast, should I be respectful and not say anything (and I haven't said anything when people drive [You never want to tell a cab driver how to drive])? I was being respectful by not butting in (as they say) to conversations or anything but that comes off as robotic. Why don't you just give me a list of Rules of Behavior? So much for "give those poor kids freedom and let them do what they think is nessisary."
I know my age. 14 . . . er, 15 years old. You should remember that your view of the situation is too broad to understand what really happened. Open your eyes to the world!
Believe me, I waited before saying anything (most of the time at least) and after waiting a bit, I needed to tell her to quiet down for a moment. Exclamation point.
If you want it told in terms of kids/adult, kids should be respectful of adults as you say. But it has to go both ways! Adults need to respect kids. As I have found, You can't respect somebody who doesn't respect you.
This is out of context but if you treat somebody like dirt, you shouldn't expect roses in return.
Kyle, your last comment hit the nail on the head.
But yeah. You can't demand respect if you don't give it.
In my opinion, it would be a lot better to teach everyone, regardless of age, to treat everyone else as they themselves would like to be treated, regardless of whether that person has earned their respect or not. Respect does have to be earned--it's not something every person should just have handed to them when they reach adulthood, no matter how vile they might happen to be. General politeness is owed to everyone--respect is taking politeness that extra mile, the difference between really listening to what someone's saying and being polite enough to pretend you are, even if you think he's an idiot.
I don't think Kyle was rude to Vickie at all. Instead of politely saying, "Shh," should he have allowed himself to be distracted by her babbling until he was stung, and then continue the rest of her stay quietly resenting her? She didn't seem to understand that the fish was dangerous. I, for one, would feel like a heel if my big mouth caused someone to be hurt, and they didn't say anything because they were afraid I would think they were being rude. It would have been rude if he'd shrieked, "For the love of God, SHUT UP!!!!", but he did nothing of the kind. (For the record, that's what I shouted at the television during that segment. The sound of her voice was one of the most grating and unnerving things I've ever heard, and I wasn't doing anything but sitting on the couch drinking iced tea.)
If someone were to chronicle my days on video, I'm sure they would catch me being "rude" or "obnoxious" more times than I care to admit. And I'm a 32 year old woman! :shock: Yet somehow, at the same time this family is being berated for not being "normal", Kyle is being called out for showing very NORMAL irritation and frustration in ONE case.
This isn't a case of "can't win 'em all" - this is a case of "can't win AT ALL."
Susan
I'm telling you what's true and most people don't understand. You can't say disrespect somebody in hope of getting respect. It's almost like action/reaction. if your action is respectful, you will get respect back. If your action is disrespectful, the last thing you'll get is respect. That's why I don't respect message boarders or you.
If you trust TV so much, than you must have come out of the twilight zone. . . in black & white perspective.
I've given up trying to get you to wake up. You're hopeless. You and all the other ignorant fools at the message board. Why don't you rancourous coiffured old message boarding sows swing the doughnuts out of your ears and knock some sense into that dormant organ you all keep hidden in that rat's maze of yours!? All you bombarding nitwits have in life is a hopeless excuse for living and a TV . . . and a computer you use at the library to make your frivolous posts! You toffee nosed pile of tarts can't think for yourself and all group up into a muddle and throw dirt clods to protect yourselves from your own pathetic lies and lives! :evil:
Now, who's up for a round of golf?
don't let these people bother you. They are nothing more than gossipers. They don't know the truth, don't want to know the truth and don't care about the truth.
They are really not worth repsonding to.
Plus, its in yours and everyone's best interests to just stay away from those boards. They serve no purpose except to make the couch potatoes happier about their lives.
I think this sentence may have contributed to his frustration with you. Here's what you said: In case you didn't realize, some people would find this statement to be very rude and insulting.
As you sow, so shall ye reap.
I agree. Thanks. You win?
Can't take a little criticism?
How hypocritical of you
this is my first time posting here and yes, I did come here as a result of watching that tv program, Trading Spouces.
I was moved to check out the message boards because I was curious to see what the general American public has to say about the Abbotts and their "alternative" lifestyle.
Before I rant on any further...I will say that Kyle was not rude to Vicki. Her voice and her view points dominated almost the entire showing of the Abbott family. I was dying to hear more from Kyle.
After the first episode, which I watched with some visiting relatives, our family had a big discussion about the value of being the same as everyone vs. being different.
We ourselves are a homeschooling family and on this level can relate to the Abbotts. It is a bunch of malarky when people accuse us (although no one has ever been brave enough to do this to my face) of trying to shelter our children from the outside world or brainwash them with OUR personal viewpoints. I couldn't program my kids if I tried! They are the most independent thinkingest bunch of critters you ever saw...and that goes for the 4 year old too!
Luke and Kyle have been raised how to think. Vicki had a problem with that, as she is used to children being taught "what" to think. I wonder what they (the Lowes) would do if they were blessed with a quiet, introspective child who disliked such boisterousness? Would they try to "brainwash" him/her into being how the rest of them are? Or would they respect her/him for their individuality? Hmmmm?
You Abbotts were a stunning example to me of what it means to live by your own principles. I thank you for this. What a beautiful, close family you are. You guys have my admiration.
If we ever make it to Santa Cruz, can we look you up?
Suzanne, John, Adam, Christopher, Kyle, Nadya and Noah in Toronto, Canada
I'm not here to argue with a 15 year old kid.